IB: Gone to search for and photograph the plane.

IB: Gone to search for and photograph the plane.

There is no evidence of any such conspiracy. Other than the airline, is there a connection? That is what I meant, the airline. How strange and unusual. If they are allowed to investigate in a war zone we will find out.

The next part of the conversation took place about 40 minutes later.“Major”: These are Chernukhin folks who shot down the plane. Where are the pilots?IB: Gone to search for and photograph the plane. It fell down beyond Yenakievo (Donetsk Oblast).Vasili Geranin: Pilots. We saw the same sort of destruction and scattering of debris when Pan Am Flight 103, was blown out of the sky and landed in and around Lockerbie on Wednesday, 21 December 1988.Pan Am Flight 103 – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The transcripts and their now deleted social media posts of their boasting about it show that it was just random bad luck. What was going on in their reasoning? IMHO they should be two different threads, as MH370 will surface again. At the moment we do not know who or what caused this disaster. Oh look! You’re posting woo woo conspiracies.

I can only think they could be connected if there was some major foreign power coordinating the Ukrainian rebels. It could have been one of several airlines who flew that route. Oh look! You’re posting woo woo conspiracies. I can only think they could be connected if there was some major foreign power coordinating the Ukrainian rebels. Like someone who knows which of the high flying airliners was Malaysian Airlines. The region where the flight was lost has seen severe fighting between the two sides in recent days. IMHO they should be two different threads, as MH370 will surface again. Originally Posted by Robittybob1 Other than the airline, is there a connection?

No.Honestly, you actually need to ask such a silly question? Those cossacks who are based in Chernukhino.“Grek”: Yes, Major.”Major”: The plane fell apart in the air. Other than the airline, is there a connection? Originally Posted by Dave Wilson Originally Posted by Robittybob1 Originally Posted by Dave Wilson MH370 and MH17 are two different stories, even though there is an obvious connection.

Originally Posted by Dave Wilson Well, it appears that the Westerrn media would have us go to war with Russia, over the tragic events of MH17. Originally Posted by Lynx_Fox Disappointed in the coverage on this story, . . . Kyiv time, or 20 minutes after the plane crash, by Igor Bezler, who the SBU says is a Russian military intelligence officer and leading commander of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic. Was that just random bad luck?

Yes. As scary as it is the tech to do this is nearly 50 years old and because they are designed to be used in the absolute worst conditions (think pitch black, pouring rain, or while wearing nuclear biological chemical warfare suits) by relatively uneducated soldiers, training requirements are pretty minimal. Originally Posted by Tranquille Originally Posted by Robittybob1 That might work if someone believed or hypothesised that the two incidences were connected. Originally Posted by Dave Wilson MH370 and MH17 are two different stories, even though there is an obvious connection. Anton Gerashenko, an adviser to Ukraine’s interior minister, said on his Facebook page the plane was flying at an altitude of 10,000 meters (33,000 feet).He said it was hit by a missile fired from a Buk launcher, which can fire missiles up to an altitude of 22,000 meters (72,000 feet). another site: BUK missile systems have large self-propelled launchers that use radar to engage aircraft or missiles up to an altitude of 75,000 feet.Read more: MH17 flight believed to have been downed by Soviet-built BUK missile | Mail Online Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook Thanks for the correction. Civilian items, medicinal stuff, towels, toilet paper.” In the third part of conversation Cossack commander Nikolay Kozitsin talking to an unidentified militant cynically suggests that the Malaysia Airlines airplane could’ve been carrying spies, as, otherwise, it would have no business flying in that area.Read the full transcript of an intercepted phone call below:Igor Bezler: We have just shot down a plane.

Isn’t this MH17 = MH370 perspective the same as perspective distorted by a strong previous experience, so this is — or is similar to — confirmation bias? Originally Posted by Tranquille Originally Posted by Robittybob1 social issues essays
Other than the airline, is there a connection? No.Honestly, you actually need to ask such a silly question? There were something like 60 airliners that took that route across Ukraine on that day and only one got shot down.

Its smoking.VG: How many minutes ago?IB: About 30 minutes ago.SBU comment: After examining the site of the plane the terrorists come to the conclusion that they have shot down a civilian plane. IMHO they should be two different threads, as MH370 will surface again. Like someone who knows which of the high flying airliners was Malaysian Airlines. The US Navy accidentally shot down an Iranian airliner in 1988 in the Persian Gulf, killing all 290 people aboard.Iran Air Flight 655 – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Moderators please. At the moment we do not know who or what caused this disaster. Originally Posted by jrmonroe Isn’t this MH17 = MH370 perspective the same as perspective distorted by a strong previous experience, so this is — or is similar to — confirmation bias?

Confirmation bias – Confirmation bias (also called confirmatory bias or myside bias) is the tendency to favor information that confirms one’s beliefs or hypotheses. Originally Posted by Robittybob1 Originally Posted by Dave Wilson MH370 and MH17 are two different stories, even though there is an obvious connection. OK that is possible but why pick on Malaysia?

Is Malaysia backing the Muslim Chinese or the Chechens? If that was happening maybe there could be covert operations to embarrass Malaysia, but I haven’t heard of any Malaysian support for the rebel groups.Searched on Google but didn’t get any hints of trouble coming out of Malaysia. Originally Posted by Robittybob1 There were something like 60 airliners that took that route across Ukraine on that day and only one got shot down. IMHO they should be two different threads, as MH370 will surface again.

Look who’s back conspiring against Robitty! I’m saying there isn’t any conspiracy focussed on Malaysia. OK but there were reports (maybe wrongly that it was a “heat seeking missile”) The Donetsk region government said a plane crashed Thursday near a village called Grabovo, which it said is currently under the control of the separatists. Originally Posted by Tranquille Originally Posted by Robittybob1 There were something like 60 airliners that took that route across Ukraine on that day and only one got shot down.

Long-range ones (which includes missiles intended for high-altitude targets) are radar-guided. Yes very much so.From those initial intercepts it sounds like the rebels were expecting this MH17 to be carrying weapons, but there weren’t any. It was this “What surprised me was that a group of the families affected by the MH370 loss reckoned on the TV3 News that the second plane loss was connected to the first! Now that would seem unusual but if it was how could they be connected and why pick on Malaysia?” that linked the two planes. It could have been one of several airlines who flew that route. One phone call apparently was made at 4:40 p.m. I agree.

So who gave them that impression?I find this conversation also somewhat interesting. The difficult part is probably keeping them maintained which for the old systems means figuring out what tubes to change and of course getting spare parts. Haven’t heard anyone discuss a possible motivation to take down anything other than perhaps a Russian or Ukraine aircraft, but lots of reasons to think it was just one of many radar blip targets to shoot at that day. –Disappointed in the coverage on this story, particularly it being echoed by media and President alike that this took sophisticated equipment and well trained crew. How strange and unusual. Like someone who knows which of the high flying airliners was Malaysian Airlines. The transcripts and their now deleted social media posts of their boasting about it show that it was just random bad luck.

We saw the same sort of destruction and scattering of debris when Pan Am Flight 103, was blown out of the sky and landed in and around Lockerbie on Wednesday, 21 December 1988.Pan Am Flight 103 – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Did you not see the transcripts of the conversations of the rebels? Moderators please. Well, it appears that the Westerrn media would have us go to war with Russia, over the tragic events of MH17. MH370 and MH17 are two different stories, even though there is an obvious connection. Other than the airline, is there a connection? That is what I meant, the airline. Was that just random bad luck? Yes. As long as the US government (and the US media) don’t get too indignant.

OK that is possible but why pick on Malaysia? Is Malaysia backing the Muslim Chinese or the Chechens? If that was happening maybe there could be covert operations to embarrass Malaysia, but I haven’t heard of any Malaysian support for the rebel groups.Searched on Google but didn’t get any hints of trouble coming out of Malaysia. He reports to a person identified by Ukraine’s SBU as a colonel in the main intelligence department of the general headquarters of the armed forces of the Russian Federation Vasili Geranin regarding the shot down plane, which is about to be examined by the militants.The second intercepted conversation released by the Security Service of Ukraine was apparently between militants nicknamed “Major” and “Greek” immediately upon inspection of the crash site. “It’s 100 percent a passenger (civilian) aircraft,” Major is recorded as saying, as he admitted to seeing no weapons on site. “Absolutely nothing.

From the Chernukhin check point. It could have been a bomb aboard MH17. Originally Posted by Robittybob1 That might work if someone believed or hypothesised that the two incidences were connected. I can only think they could be connected if there was some major foreign power coordinating the Ukrainian rebels. Group Minera.

That might work if someone believed or hypothesised that the two incidences were connected. It could have been a bomb aboard MH17. OK that is possible but why pick on Malaysia? Is Malaysia backing the Muslim Chinese or the Chechens? If that was happening maybe there could be covert operations to embarrass Malaysia, but I haven’t heard of any Malaysian support for the rebel groups.Searched on Google but didn’t get any hints of trouble coming out of Malaysia. Was that just random bad luck?

Any coincidence that a media frenzy covers this story as Israel bombs Gaza? Originally Posted by Robittybob1 Originally Posted by CEngelbrecht Lusitania springs to mind. thanks – I thought for a moment Lusitania – “what do you mean?”, but I see it now.

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